I have to change the permissions after editing a start file to r--r--r-- so that they don;'t get over wrote. what apain in the assferstaep. mitch aka mlp Maritime Linux Project -- WWW: http://www.afterstep.org/ FTP: ftp://ftp.afterstep.org/ MAIL: http://www.caldera.com/linuxcenter/forums/afterstep.html